Good Guys: Bill vs. Eric

I created this post to contrast the last post (one post back): Bad Boys: Bill vs. Eric.

(Bill and Eric get a half a check for an attempt at a rescue/ good deed if it failed or an unitentional rescue/ good deed. Bill and Eric get a full check for a good deed/rescue that was not only intentional but also successful. Checks will negate/cancel out x’s from the last post and if all of the x’s are somehow negated, the character will recieve a tally of checks at the end, if not, the character will receive the new tally of x’s)

Bad Deeds Tally:

Eric: 4.5; Bill: 15

Season One:

Bill:

Bill does not get credit for rescuing Sookie from the Rattrays because he either set the whole thing up or allowed it to happen/ go on longer than it should have so that he could get his blood into her as soon as possible.

Bill saved Sookie (even if it was his job to protect her) by staking Longshadow during his attack at Fangtasia (that is what we see as an audience) so he gets a check for that. We do not know if Eric had any plans or anything else. So far, the only thing the audience knows is Bill presumably had to stake Longshadow to save Sookie and he suffered consequences for it (having to turn Jessica).

Bill attempts to save Sookie from Renee in the sun but it is a failed attempt that he should have known would not work so he gets a half check.

Eric:

Eric was mostly presented as a villian in season one and therefore was not presented performing obvious heroic acts in season one.

Season Two:

Bill:

Although Bill is convienietly there and uses the guy to teach Jessica how to glamour people, he saves Sookie from being kidnapped by the FOTS at the airport.

Although held by Lorena at Eric’s suggestion (who may or may not have had greater reasons other than wanting to be the sole hero, though I think he did), Bill tries to save Sookie from the FOTS but arrives late and ends up offering nothing more than threats and is unsuccessful.

Despite any number of motivations, Bill goes to QSA for advice and Bill works with Sam and gives Sam blood in order to help with the Maryann/ the Maenad situation.

Eric:

Although Eric does negociate with Sookie for Lafayette’s release later on, Eric does save Sookie’s life by bringing in Dr. Ludwig to help (which he pays a price for in money/blood/both) after the Maenad/ Maryann attacks her  after Bill is unable to save her.

Although Eric was there for Godric and Sookie, Eric attempts to save Sookie from the FOTS and offers himself for both the release of her and Godric even though it was ultimately unsuccessful until Godric/Jason help.

Although Eric later tricks Sookie into drinking some of his blood, Eric saves Sookie from the suicide bombing at Godric’s.

Despite asking for Sam’s help in return later on, Eric attempted to help with the maenad situation but was held by QSA.

Season Three:

Bill:

Although it was partially to help himself as well, Bill swears alleigeince to Russell in an attempt to divert his attention from Sookie  and he tries to warn Sookie later on (as well as stake Russell) but since it wasn’t well thought out and essentially a trap, it get grouped with this good deed.

Bill helps confront the werewolves and Russell at Sookie’s house.

Although Bill initially works with Eric to help him save everyone, including Sookie, he later betrays Eric and even tries to discourage Sookie from saving Eric before that so he gets a half check.

Eric:

Though he himself said it would not be personally advantageous for him to help Sookie find Bill, Eric not only comes clean about a previous lie and explains everything to her, he later sends Alcide to escort her around Jackson as she looks for Bill.

Eric helps warn/save Sookie from the werewolf inside her home and then buries the body himself without her help.

Although it was partially to protect his investment, Eric saves Lafayette from the people in HotShot.

Eric unsuccessfully tries to discourage Russell from going to get Sookie AND Although Eric saves Sookie and Bill by distracting Russell by staking Talbot, it is unclear as to whether this was an intentional move or all about his revenge.

Eric attempts to work with Bill in order to help Sookie and tries to sacrifice himself to not only get his revenge, but save everyone, including Pam, Sookie, and Bill.

Check Tally Seasons One, Two,Three: Bill: 6.5; Eric: 7.5

Bill: 15 x’s – 6.5 checks= 8.5 x’s

Even after three full seasons of good deeds, Bill’s bad aspects still far outweigh the good he has done.

Eric: 4.5 x’s – 7.5 checks = + 3 checks

Obviously, The Good Eric has done outweighs the bad aspects (the bad things he has done).

Therefore, being as objective as possible, Eric is clearly the redeemable hero and Bill has yet to be a redeemable hero, if he will ever be.

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  1. #1 by ENA on September 28, 2010 - 12:30 pm

    Love it Hun! And I agree all the way!

    • #2 by talktrueblood on September 28, 2010 - 1:02 pm

      thank you ENA and I hope you enjoyed the two articles you inspired.

  2. #3 by lizzy on September 28, 2010 - 3:59 pm

    Reading this makes my day, thank you.

    • #4 by talktrueblood on September 28, 2010 - 9:01 pm

      your welcome. im just glad you enjoyed it!

  3. #5 by Bobsgran on September 28, 2010 - 4:00 pm

    TTB, certainly have enjoyed theses 2 articles. And thanks to ENA for the inspiration.

    • #6 by talktrueblood on September 28, 2010 - 9:07 pm

      thank you thank you. : )
      it’s amazing how much material TB can give us

  4. #7 by Freyja on September 28, 2010 - 6:30 pm

    Love it TTB 🙂 Always good to see it written down like this to get a better view of the characters. Thank you!

    • #8 by talktrueblood on September 28, 2010 - 9:08 pm

      welcome.
      if this isn’t a clean cut view of the real hero…idk what is

  5. #9 by Gabriela on September 28, 2010 - 6:42 pm

    Absolutely well done!! both of them: the good and the bad (things hehe)
    One thing I´d mention, maybe “good” but actually for me was bad from Bill, altought not as bad as his second option, was when the Rattrays attacked him and drained his blood, then Sookie rescued him and he offered to take that blood that was out of his body. That was his first attempt to bond her to him, not as bad as the second plan, but also bad now we know why he offered…
    I hope Bill never redeemed, I could forgive only until the procurement for the Queen, that was his job, and it´s understandable and also normal that he should developed feelings for her and didn´t tell her that true, but the Rattrays thing that was his own idea… and never to be forgiven and forgotten, you listen Sookie??!!!
    🙂

    • #10 by Gabriela on September 28, 2010 - 7:10 pm

      By saying that I hope Bill never redeem it´s because I consider him a more interesting character alone, when showing his evil side, not the lame, overprotective, autorepetitive boyfriend…

    • #11 by talktrueblood on September 28, 2010 - 9:18 pm

      I want to know if you need it straight from the source for a Blood Bond to form.
      I theorized that the vampire needed to share his/her essence with the subject for a Blood Bond to form.

      The Rattrays did make Bill’s excuses basically canceled out. Though I gave him one X for that to be fair…
      I am sure that is almost worth a 12 x’s or more in Sookie’s mind, for good reason.
      I think we all would have wanted to forgive Eric if he had been sent to procure her as well but I doubt I would have been ever to forgive Eric
      entirely if he had almost killed her in order to make her drink his blood.

      If Bill ever does redeem himself, it will be too late as far as getting Sookie back is concerned and although I think that will be Bill’s personal goal as a character,
      I don’t think that will be the goal of the writer’s concerning his character. Bill will probably ultimately be the one who must die/ make a lot of sacrifices in
      order to make a true attempt at redemption but concerning his deep character flaws, I don’t know that he’ll ever acheive it and I do like evil Bill as far as the plot is concerned.

      • #12 by LLE on September 29, 2010 - 8:03 pm

        Sookie and Bill will get back together again because AB not done with them yet. Right now, Sookie hates him but how long will that last before she goes back to him? Sookie in books never went back to Bill and AB did promise to keep to core to the books. AB did say that he will go out of the books after season four.

      • #13 by talktrueblood on September 29, 2010 - 9:45 pm

        oooo saY IT ISN’T SO.
        i might cry if she completely forgives him …especially after the rattrays situation

  6. #14 by anette on September 29, 2010 - 1:55 am

    hi, I’m so glad to read this 😉
    In my coments under badboys I was like poor salicitor of Eric’s case, now I see thet judge just have to be in our side 😉
    One more thing to add: Eric;s behave to Pam: he done everything to save her, as her maker and as her friend, from magister punishment, as we know from Bill’s-Jessica’s case it is not so obvious for maker to care about the progeny.
    Also as a good thing I recon telling Sookie truth. Noble and uneasy, but neccessary.
    He cured Laffy – half of x I would put on it.
    And in church of FOS when he want to sucrifise himselve for Godric and Sookie’s life, well in my opinion it’s a fool x – he just like Godric gave to much credit to Newlin’s etic, but it was heroic and noble.
    It’s interesting, that we see how less he i egoistic: in season 2 he offered his life for others 3 time: in church, then during explosion (he could die: 3 other vamps, like Stan, died) and on the roof with Godric, he ofered that he would stay and meet the true death with him. In 3 season he sacrifies himselves to help save Sookie and kill Russell. Well, he is on the simple and stright way to become martyr 😉

    • #15 by talktrueblood on September 29, 2010 - 9:59 pm

      haha. you must believe it.
      It is also not always the case for the progeny to be so loyal to the maker unless commanded to do so.
      Eric gets loyalty from his progeny without commanding it so there must be a reason.

      He cured Laffy, yes, but Laffy was in trouble as a result of Eric keeping him prisoner.
      Since I counted the entire Laffy situation/Royce situation as an X, I didn’t go back and give him a half an X anymore
      than I would give Bill credit for giving Sookie blood after not helping her for a while, Bill credit for giving her blood so many times after others were in the process of
      helping her, or Bill healing her in the hospital after draining her. I do think Laffy needing the blood was partially Laffy’s fault since he chose not to seek
      medical care though. He might not have needed Eric’s blood had he gotten medical care (this was not the case for Sookie of course). Therefore, Eric might
      have saved his life/legs ultimately but given the circumstances, I decided not to give Eric credit for that, especially after giving him a full X for the Laffy/Royce situation.

      I agreed to only give a half check for an intentional but unsuccessful rescue and I had to stay true to that, just like Bill only got a half check
      for running out into the sun after Sookie (also a fool’s gesture). I did think what Eric did was moving but it was ultimately unsuccessful.

      I think Eric has definitely shown the signs of eventually becoming some kind of martyr. He has given that gesture time and time again.
      I wonder how he has survived without meeting the true death for so long he is so sacrificial sometimes.

      Bill credit for

  7. #16 by Ella on September 29, 2010 - 7:58 pm

    Loved this post. Like Eric says “Do the math.” You have and now there is proof that he is the hero. Thanks TTB.

  8. #17 by Renée on October 2, 2010 - 5:12 pm

    Great pair of posts! Now there is something concrete to refer people to when they pull out the ‘but both vampires do good and bad.’ Ugh!

    • #18 by talktrueblood on October 2, 2010 - 5:24 pm

      Exactly…nothing is more concrete or definite than mathematics so that is what I used
      : )

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