What Buddhist (AB’s religion) forgiveness says about Bill and Eric.

Alan Ball is a Buddhist (you may or may not know this).  As a result of this knowledge, my blogger-friend and reader Anna has created a blog about Buddhist symbolism on True Blood.

Most Buddhists believe that forgiveness is possible for everyone and Alan Ball himself has admitted to feeling the same way about forgiveness when asked if forgiveness for Bill was possible. 

SO there you have it, Alan Ball thinks forgiveness for Bill is possible despite the summation of the following:

Bad deeds of Bill are listed here (Bill receives 15 x’s).

Example-

Bill attempts to "procure Sookie" and then has Sookie beat up by the Rattrays (which Bill set up to give her blood of course)

After Bill’s good deeds are listed and subtracted he still receives 8.5 x’s.

Example-

Bill stakes Longshadow to save Sookie (even though he was presumably ordered to protect her)

I would add some objectively bad deeds for Bill this season but none were objectively bad. Bill unknowingly had sex with his ancestor (at least from what we were shown) and Bill chewed Sookie out but that wasn’t really that “bad.” He was going to kill Eric but he didn’t and he did improperly chain Jessica/ was negligent but it’s a theory that he was purposely negligent and we have nothing  that can objectively say he was “bad” in that situation. He was going to blow up the Mood Goddess without regard of Tara being inside but of course that’s not going to happen and he did it as King (collateral damage)–I do personally take offense to that situation but it’s not objective.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Good Deeds for Bill Season Four:

Bill saves Tara from Pam (regardless of his motives, this cancels out leaving Tara for dead earlier)

Regardless of his motives and Eric's incapacitated state, Bill saves Sookie 4x09

***That reduces Bill’s X’s to 6.5***

SO yeah, I guess that at least means that Alan Ball thinks forgiveness is possible for the summation of Eric’s worst deeds too:

Bad Deeds of Eric are listed here though Season Three (he receives 4.5 x’s):

Example-

Eric doesn't stake Longshadow

After Eric’s good deeds are listed and are used to subtract X’s he is in the positive with 3 checks.

Example-

Eric saves Sookie from a werewolf and helps her with the body

I would add some bad deeds for Eric but none were objectively bad. We could say that he attacked Tara but that was in self-defense so that gets canceled out. We could say he killed Claudine but any vampire would attack a full blooded fairy (Bill did it to Claudine in fairyland before she zapped him).

Correct me if I am wrong.

Good Deeds for Eric Season Four:

Regardless of his motives, Eric never gives up on Sookie and remodels her home without definite proof she will ever return.

***That ups Eric’s checks to 4!***

Being as objective as possible, I cannot assign a greater value to some bad deeds or good deeds. I think I should come up with a flat system of rating the deeds and do another in-depth article of their good and bad deeds.

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After hearing Alan Ball’s statement we could say…”Great! Well we can focus on whose better for Sookie rather than their good and bad deeds.”

But is it just me or did you also ask, “What does Eric exactly need to be forgiven for since his good deeds significantly outweigh the bad?”

SO, even if Alan Ball thinks anyone can be forgiven…we can put the viking out of that game since he really doesn’t need to be forgiven for anything when you consider it objectively.

Therefore, there is no contest and given a choice between Eric and Bill, she should choose Eric since Bill has clearly not made-up for his errors and Eric has. I say Bill’s story, even if he’s completely evil, is about finding redemption and forgiveness because Alan Ball is a Buddhist.

However, part of Eric’s story is getting Sookie to realize that he is the one worthier of her affections and therefore her sole love, since he is in fact not in need of forgiveness though she sees it that  way (in addition to uplifting her best qualities while Bill brings out her worst qualities).

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  1. #1 by Serenity on August 31, 2011 - 9:00 am

    Bill daywalked to save Sookie at the end of the 1st season. For me, that trumps everything he’s ever done bad.

    • #2 by Kat on August 31, 2011 - 11:54 am

      I used to feel the same way…First of all, remember that Bill was under orders to protect Sookie and if he failed at his job with the Queen (before he overthrew her) then he would have also failed at his job with the Authority. Second of all, it’s also possible that Bill knew Sookie’s blood might help him into the sun since I don’t think the Queen kept everything from him she even bursts in able to freely say the “fae she’s been waiting for – for centuries.” (even if he claims so). Third of all, does the fact that Eric tried to sacrifice himself not once but twice to not just save Sookie but everyone trump everything he’s done (putting himself on the altar at the FOTS and walking out into the sun with Russell)?

  2. #3 by Gaby on August 31, 2011 - 9:49 am

    Ok (this is mostly to Sookie hehe) you can forgive what you want, you can take the good deeds over the bads, anything. But there´s more under the surface, the little things, the bad ones disguised as good ones, such as “I did it for your goodness” , “I never loved anyone as you” (and then make something bad) treating a woman as if she can´t manage for herself. Love is blind and blah blah, but if you are taking this, the you get what you deserve, you don`t have self esteem and definitively you don´t deserve something better (even Alcide is better…look at the way he treated the crazy Debbie, as a woman) Some women do anything to have the man by her side (and not the right one, those are the “women that run with wolves”, this is a book, what coincidence hahaha)
    Kisses Kat, will you do an analysis for “Run”? I still don´t loose hope for E&S 😀

    • #4 by Gaby on August 31, 2011 - 10:24 am

      Sorry, is not “Run”, is “Burning Down the house” hehehe

    • #5 by Kat on August 31, 2011 - 12:02 pm

      I agree that Bill’s manipulation of Sookie is more important than his good or bad deeds…I agree with what ur saying but since I believe Sookie suffers from mental illness and V addiction, it has affected her mind. Hopefully I will do an analysis this time and not a double analysis next time ha ha.

  3. #6 by TruFan on August 31, 2011 - 11:52 am

    I don’t believe that good deeds can cancel out bad. The only way to really achieve redemption in my personal opinion, is by first admitting that what was done was wrong, and then by accepting the consequences and trying to live a better life.

    So to translate this to Bill, he would have to come completely clean to Sookie (without prompting, or fear of being caught), and then he’d need to back up and get the hell out of her life, while at the same time being a good person for the rest of his life.

    If that happened, I would consider Bill redeemed, but not necessarily forgiven. I’m not holding my breath though.

    • #7 by Gaby on August 31, 2011 - 12:16 pm

      Right. Bill never said he was sorry for anything!! (didn´t he?)
      I´m more pissed offf….now hahahha

      • #8 by Kat on August 31, 2011 - 12:50 pm

        Exactly…therefore, Bill should and can’t truly get forgiveness without expressing true remorse (which he hasn’t done and which he is incapable of doing in most if not truly all cases).

    • #9 by Kat on August 31, 2011 - 12:48 pm

      I agree with your line of reasoning. However, that is qualitative opinion (though that can be valid too and I think it is in our case). The reason I came up with this quantiative system was to use math that is hard to dispute by someone coming at it from an objective viewpoint; it was born out of my frustration with Bill fans listing all the terrible things Eric has done and claiming that all of Bill’s good deeds trump his bad deeds but not claiming the same thing for Eric. Using this system we see that Eric’s good deeds outweigh his bad but not . Therefore we see that Bill is the one that has not been redeemed (much less forgiven) and Eric is the one that has been redeemed. In my opinion, good deeds can in fact help redeem someone from bad deeds or actions though its to the discretion of the victim to forgive or not no matter what. Also, we can keep in mind that even if Sookie forgives Bill for whatever reason or considers him redeemed doesn’t mean that he’s the right guy for her or for anyone. It also doesn’t automatically mean he is “good.”

      • #10 by TruFan on August 31, 2011 - 1:54 pm

        Eric has done some bad things, but nothing I would outright consider evil. And of course the MAIN difference is that Eric is really upfront about what he does. Maybe I don’t like everything Eric does, but at least I can respect him. And really, who could be with a man you can’t respect? (cough…Bill)

        lol 😀

        (This isn’t an argument, I know you and I agree on the fundamentals, I just like to put my thoughts into the actual words for myself)

      • #11 by Kat on September 1, 2011 - 2:07 am

        Me either. People want to say what he did to Lafayette was evil but cmon many sheriffs would have done far worse (bills own words) and Lafayette was not innocent: he was selling V. I totally agree with you. Really Eric is one of the only characters on the show I respect besides Jason (another sacrificial figure)…No I welcome that! I love all comments as you know…even pro bill ones if they dare ha

  4. #12 by znb on August 31, 2011 - 1:32 pm

    u know i think u were more than fair when it came to ur assessment of bill and erics misdeeds….personally i think bills deeds in season one AT LEAST dont count for anything cuz u just cant say his intentions n motivation for saving sookie were because of his personal feelings…and cuz he wanted to keep his tasty blood supply alive…but maybe thats just me 😀
    i know a few fans think bill walking into the sun in s1 to save sookie from renee was the most heroic act ever,but i personally think,like most things bill does,it was an impulsive foolish act that understandably didnt achieve anything except sookie and sam having to try n save his life from the sun. U know u should do a post on Bills impulsive behavior…the dude defines the term loose canon,he attacks vampires ten to thirty times his age (eric,russel) with out thinking! he led russel STRAIGHT to sookie in s3,his attempt at burying eric in cement was also a reckless stab in the dark,the guy does not think!nor stop to consider his actions…its unreal!! and now this guy is king…..sigh..unbelievable.
    also from a completely object point of view,i have to say erics lies never seemed that bad to me when it came to sookie,he lied to her in dallas to get a few drops of blood into her and he KNEW he was going to get caught in that lie within the next ten minutes…its not like he INTENDED to lie to her about it forever,and when she came to ask about the werewolves,and he lied,he showed up the next day to tell her he had lied and to tell her the truth,bill PROPOSED to sookie with no INTENTION of ever telling her the truth,he lied to her about keeping the files on her because eric showed an interest in her with no INTENTION of ever telling her that was horseshit! he lied about killing eric (cement grave) and pam (well trying to kill em) because they knew what she was and had no INTENTION of telling her it was also because eric knew why bill was sent to BT. when u think of it from the “who had the most honest and sincere intentions” POV there really is no need to compare cuz eric definitely comes up on top…
    lol this post kinda went on for too long! im sorry! i just reread the good deeds n bad deeds post again and was thinking about em.
    oh and about the last few lines of this article…i SO agree….bill brings out the WORST in her,eric brings out her “sauciness” so to speak,he’s good for her spirit! and as u said,there is no need to forgive him even though this season we keep hearing about erics “bad” deeds and not about bills *pam eye roll*

    • #13 by Kat on September 1, 2011 - 2:02 am

      Well I created that system bc to me there is no arguing that system…its as objective and straightforward as possible. If anyone denies those calculations then they’re completely delusional about Bill and his character…… I would normally say that about Season One too but again trying to be as objective as possible. Although I think I should do a more in-depth rating system….you are correct. Bill plans out large scales schemes with his lying to Sookie and Eric never seems to think his lies will last long. He witheld his true intentions for going after Godric but I don’t see that as totally terrible and he admitted it to Bill soon after….yeah as always AB likes to play to the gullible audience members with dialogue pointing to Good Bill, Bad Eric again despite everything we’ve been shown in order to mind-fuck them (as Sunny says) and drive the rest of us insane.

    • #14 by Kat on September 1, 2011 - 2:26 am

      Are you requesting a Bill’s impulsiveness article? I could oblige.

      • #15 by znb on September 1, 2011 - 12:21 pm

        i am indeed 😀 i love the way u put stuff…and lets face it bill is many things (none of them admirable) but his impulsiveness really stands out to me! it amazes me that a vampire with such a lack of impulse control has actually survived as long as he has…..
        and yeah i totally agree,ur system was objective and straight forward,and even at the time i was impressed that an eric fan could be so fair cuz i dont think i’d be able to be objective when it comes to bill,but it did make me admire ur integrity as a writer.
        yep forgot about the Godric thing,but again,he knew everyone would know the truth once they got to dallas…plus i believe had any ancient vampire been missing eric would probably still have tried to get the telepath from his area to go,and told sookie and bill info on a need to know basis,his personal connection to the missing vampire would not be necessary for sookie to know to be involved in finding the missing vamp. Also a part of me always thought eric didnt want sookie and bill to know how personal it was for him cuz he was worried they (bill) might refuse just to be spiteful.

      • #16 by Kat on September 1, 2011 - 8:42 pm

        Ok I can do that then. Thanks!….if I really didn’t think Bill was evil I wouldn’t say so 🙂 but yes I try my best to take a step back to consider Bill but I always come to the same conclusion….well Bill did try to refuse so I agree. Sookie is honorable like Eric so she would have stuck to the terms regardless.

  5. #17 by anna on August 31, 2011 - 2:10 pm

    Great post Kat!
    There’s no easy answer.
    For Sookie to forgive Bill she would have to know the full extent of what he’s done and to have enough self-awareness to know that she can only move on by detaching herself from feelings of anger and hatred towards him.
    Redemption is something Bill has to find for himself and so far he doesn’t seem to have shown any sign that he considers his behaviour to be anything but justified.

    • #18 by Kat on September 1, 2011 - 2:11 am

      Thank you and I also hope to use my Buddhist insight to point people to your blog as well (should add you to my blogroll soon)…..I totally agree with you. Bill is pompous and self-centered (which makes me doubt his supposed self-loathing) and shows nothing but a superiority complex towards humans when nobody is watching and obviously enjoyed the hunt and has a procurer of his own NOW (which makes me doubt his supposed respect for humanity).

  6. #19 by Anonymous on August 31, 2011 - 3:40 pm

    re-watching episodes, its more and more upsetting that Sook keeps harping at AE on his bad deeds; right after they’ve made love and when he’s being tortured with silver! But Bill always gets a pass! I agree with your DPD/addict theory..I actually work in the mental health field and have seen all too many of these women.Please Allan Ball…you can redeem YOURSELF by ending the toxic B/S relationship for good! And as much as I love Eric, I think she jumped into a relationship too quickly with him. In the books, it had been several months; in Sook’s mind on TB, she slept with Bill and 6 days later..she sleeps withAE. Time to be by yourself!

    • #20 by Kat on September 1, 2011 - 2:24 am

      I wonder why she supposedly realizes things like the FOTS sacrifice but gives Eric no credit for that really versus his “bad things.”…thank you so much for my opinion on the DPD theory regarding Sookie. I actually do include her moving onto Eric right after Bill as characteristic of the disorder. Ideally I would like to see Sookie single for a while but I think its impossible for two reasons: her disorder and the terrible circumstances that her desired blood puts her in (she has to be claimed or protected by someone, somehow and ofc her disorder makes her attach to that person/vampire ) ….I agree on AB’s redemption 😉

  7. #21 by Gaby on September 2, 2011 - 9:42 am

    On the other hand, I´d like to talk about something more technical: scriptwriting. We can see how Eric character changed and evolutioned, gradually, by a process, diffcult but logical. he can´t change from night to morning but after three seasons we could appreciate the transformation in him, how he finally could open his heart. Of course he has to work a lot more on himself to convince his beloved to trust in him…but that´s abother story
    But Bill character is not believable!!! how after the humilliation and the things he has done and said, is now not only converted in a King (well, that was imposed to him) but suddenly is soo caring about his kind when he always hated his condition….this is not only e(in)volution, but is not so much verosimil.

    • #22 by Kat on September 2, 2011 - 2:20 pm

      That’s just it…I think the intelligent audience members/ those not glamoured by Bill are supposed to realize that it makes no sense. Everyone else who has loved Bill for every season is supposed to be like “Ummm what,” even as their trying to excuse his previous behavior or tear down Eric or whoever else besides Bill.

      Well maybe we’re supposed to be like…”wow, maybe that was bullshit and Bill actually likes being a vampire and his self-hate was all a ruse.” OR “Bill actually likes power more than anything else so if protecting vampires keeps him in power so be it and power comes along with being a vampire.”

      I always said and Bill admitted it after Maxine’s neighboor walked into the sun…If Bill really hated himself that much and was despondent and felt guilty about his condition then he’d walk into the sun like Godric.

  8. #23 by TruFan on September 2, 2011 - 9:47 am

    Nothing about Bill makes sense this season, no matter which side of the Bill/Eric team you’re on. He loves Sookie, or he’s willing to kill her for vampires. Vampires are all evil, except him, or they’re worth killing humans over. Which is it Bill? (By the way, that was the smartest question Sookie ever asked)

    • #24 by Kat on September 2, 2011 - 1:29 pm

      Yeah he’s willing to blow up humans at the MGE….Tara is worth saving when its convenient but not when it isn’t…..????

      Well I know why it seems confusing…BECAUSE BILL IS FAKE and acts like he needs to act for certain groups to keep up appearances and suit his own purposes. He can even imitate voices…wtf….

      Well he’s king he must save the vampires *barf*.

  9. #25 by TruFan on September 2, 2011 - 6:03 pm

    The King thing still drives me crazy, surely it’s not as easy as killing a king or queen already in place, or else they’d be dropping like flies. This last episode in particular REALLY felt like a Buffy the Vampire slayer episode. There was an episode in Buffy where this guy “glamours” everyone into believing he is like THE BEST GUY ever, combination super spy, super hero, super lover type of deal. Remind you of anyone?

    Also, the scene in TB where Marnie is sitting on the floor looking in a book in the magic shop….I swear not only does that scene look like it takes place in the magic shop from Buffy, BUT the very position of the actors in that scene is very much the position of the actors in Buffy in the episode where everyone loses their memory. Very interesting, isn’t it? I wonder if Alan was a Buffy fan? lol

    • #26 by Kat on September 3, 2011 - 3:38 pm

      ME TOO!
      Yeah I don’t under

      Oh I loved that show too myself.
      Yes, Jonathan. lol
      Yes…I have noticed many parallels like the friend Tara who likes girls and the witch friends and the falling in love with the vampire you hated at first.

      Me too. I wonder if he likes Joss Whedon HA.

  10. #27 by Leelia Mendoza on June 10, 2012 - 9:34 pm

    I just Love Erik, maybe I’m biased lol. The hot tall blonde, opposed to the shorter older looking brunette? hahaha, jk. There’s just something about Erik, and I seriously want Sookie to be with him. Plus Bill’s accented “Sookie” is hysterically funny.

    I love Blood of the True, the series is amazing; and Charlene Harris did a really good job.

    Another amazing author I recently found (No show tho haha, just books) was Alexandria Infante`, and her book came out last year; Teaching between Midnight and Dawn (Arieanna’s Legend), and I totally loooove the characters too. Not like true blood, but just as edgy.

    I also like the fact that she’s a latina author, cuz we don’t see many of us in this field.

    My dorm mate gave me her book, cuz she got it like from someone else, (they were sorta just passing it around lol to read to pass the time waiting for finals last week) anyway, amazenly I loved the book!

    We went to her site, and each book in the series ( she only has this one published, but you can read sample chapters on the site) was darker, more sensual and better than the last lol

    • #28 by Kat on June 14, 2012 - 11:21 am

      Wow that sounds amazing!

      Eric’s superiority almost doesn’t have to be spoken.

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